Comments on: Why would anyone join a youth advisory group on climate change? https://www.crikey.com.au/2024/09/06/climate-change-youth-advisory-group-anne-aly/ On politics, media, business, the environment and life Tue, 10 Sep 2024 15:01:13 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.4.5 By: drastic https://www.crikey.com.au/2024/09/06/climate-change-youth-advisory-group-anne-aly/#comment-751384 Tue, 10 Sep 2024 15:01:13 +0000 https://www.crikey.com.au/?p=1173580#comment-751384 In reply to Kimmo.

This is starting to make sense. I thought of villages as the base unit but couldn’t see how to make it work. Just don’t tell anybody it would be similar to traditional Aboriginal society…

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By: Kimmo https://www.crikey.com.au/2024/09/06/climate-change-youth-advisory-group-anne-aly/#comment-751377 Tue, 10 Sep 2024 12:54:18 +0000 https://www.crikey.com.au/?p=1173580#comment-751377 In reply to drastic.

As for AI and King Rupert, we need to rearrange our systems to remove the incentive to misinform, and start working on ways to rebuild a consensus on reality; the latter sort of follows from the former to an extent, but I imagine the process needs some help somehow…

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By: Kimmo https://www.crikey.com.au/2024/09/06/climate-change-youth-advisory-group-anne-aly/#comment-751376 Tue, 10 Sep 2024 12:50:05 +0000 https://www.crikey.com.au/?p=1173580#comment-751376 In reply to drastic.

I’d say start by divvying folks up into local groups, according to Dunbar’s number; 150-200. That way everyone gets to know everyone in their group, and the mechanisms we’ve evolved to regulate each other’s behaviour can apply.

Perhaps these groups can then have a rotating draft or something to come up with, I dunno, say 1 – 5 representatives to participate in another group of similar size higher up the chain, and so on all the way up?

I’m pretty damn sure we haven’t spent much effort so far exploring the space of possibilities of how to organise ourselves, particularly the space informed by a modern understanding of human nature informed by science.

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By: Kimmo https://www.crikey.com.au/2024/09/06/climate-change-youth-advisory-group-anne-aly/#comment-751375 Tue, 10 Sep 2024 12:41:04 +0000 https://www.crikey.com.au/?p=1173580#comment-751375 In reply to Gonggongche.

That’s the best option for everyone, whether they believe it or otherwise.

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By: Gonggongche https://www.crikey.com.au/2024/09/06/climate-change-youth-advisory-group-anne-aly/#comment-751352 Tue, 10 Sep 2024 07:52:19 +0000 https://www.crikey.com.au/?p=1173580#comment-751352 Given that the government is looking at introducing a ban on social media for our youth, was the youth advisory group a poison chalice?

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By: Hoojakafoopy https://www.crikey.com.au/2024/09/06/climate-change-youth-advisory-group-anne-aly/#comment-751350 Tue, 10 Sep 2024 07:24:01 +0000 https://www.crikey.com.au/?p=1173580#comment-751350 Rather than taking part in the performance of advice to a captured “government”, young organizers would be better off calculating the cost of government inaction on carbon pollution and sending them the bill. Send it publicly and regularly to the point where it cannot be ignored.

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By: drastic https://www.crikey.com.au/2024/09/06/climate-change-youth-advisory-group-anne-aly/#comment-751322 Tue, 10 Sep 2024 05:12:39 +0000 https://www.crikey.com.au/?p=1173580#comment-751322 In reply to Kimmo.

Every issue voted on by everybody (who’s interested) on the net. No reps needed. But then who raises the issues? Everyone would raise at least five, making possibly a million issues – every day? every week? So there would have to be a central organisation of some sort to decide what gets voted on. The agenda.

A real democracy would result if we all had a vote on every issue, which is already possible. But with AI now loose on social media it’s hard to see people being correctly informed. We could always ask Rupert for the truth.

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By: Gonggongche https://www.crikey.com.au/2024/09/06/climate-change-youth-advisory-group-anne-aly/#comment-751245 Mon, 09 Sep 2024 23:57:25 +0000 https://www.crikey.com.au/?p=1173580#comment-751245 In reply to Gonggongche.

The best option for First Nations people is the Greens or an Independent that uses the community model used in Indi.

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By: Gonggongche https://www.crikey.com.au/2024/09/06/climate-change-youth-advisory-group-anne-aly/#comment-751244 Mon, 09 Sep 2024 23:54:48 +0000 https://www.crikey.com.au/?p=1173580#comment-751244 In reply to Bolivar diGriz.

Likewise, Bolivar diGriz. I rationalized putting aside that very contradiction by saying to myself that our First Nations people were asked what they wanted to address their disadvantage and came up with the Uluru Statement – a wonderful response – so give it all the support one could. Arguing in its favour though meant on one hand saying that it gave them a say on issues affecting them – when addressing what does it do – and then arguing, as well as that the Voice didn’t infer any power to legislate, that the government of the day could ignore the advice if it wanted – when addressing it was giving a particular group powers that others wouldn’t have.

Furthermore, at the time there was an issue of water usage somewhere around Alice, and the prospect of fracking in Beetaloo, both of which it looked, to cynical old me, as if Labor were ignoring what the impacted First Nations groups were saying.

Labor will roll First Nations every time their interests clash with those of its donors – that, imo, is the reality. The only difference with the Coalition is that the Coalition will brag about it.

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By: Bolivar diGriz https://www.crikey.com.au/2024/09/06/climate-change-youth-advisory-group-anne-aly/#comment-751237 Mon, 09 Sep 2024 22:49:49 +0000 https://www.crikey.com.au/?p=1173580#comment-751237 In reply to Gonggongche.

While I voted in favour of the Voice to Parliament, I was always cynical about it for the reasons pointed out in Ms Sharma’s article.

In our system of government, any advisory group’s reports or recommendations get swiftly buried and ignored when they hamper a lucrative donor’s ambitions.

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