Comments on: Dutton ‘most divisive leader in history’: Chalmers https://www.crikey.com.au/2024/08/27/peter-dutton-jim-chalmers-divisive-gambling-crime/ On politics, media, business, the environment and life Wed, 28 Aug 2024 01:18:18 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.4.5 By: Sinking Ship Rat https://www.crikey.com.au/2024/08/27/peter-dutton-jim-chalmers-divisive-gambling-crime/#comment-748485 Wed, 28 Aug 2024 01:18:18 +0000 https://www.crikey.com.au/?p=1162295#comment-748485 In reply to Gonggongche.

I don’t believe anyone has said that either…

Then it’s a pity you are involving yourself in a conversation you have not followed or understood. Banquo911 attacked the MPs’ pay, and linked it to their wealth and privilege. If follows that Banquo911 hopes there would be less wealth and privilege if there was lower pay, or else lowering the pay would be irrelevant. That implies a causal connection. If you could grasp how context and previous comments matter in following how these conversations are conducted, you’d have a better experience. It is entirely possible to say things indirectly and yet clearly; it is not necessary to for a thing to be stated explicitly when it is obvious by logic or inference.

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By: Gonggongche https://www.crikey.com.au/2024/08/27/peter-dutton-jim-chalmers-divisive-gambling-crime/#comment-748483 Wed, 28 Aug 2024 01:06:49 +0000 https://www.crikey.com.au/?p=1162295#comment-748483 In reply to Mercurial.

Yep, public funding for private schools was a big mistake, but Howard used it to all but destroy public schooling.

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By: drsmithy https://www.crikey.com.au/2024/08/27/peter-dutton-jim-chalmers-divisive-gambling-crime/#comment-748457 Tue, 27 Aug 2024 23:11:24 +0000 https://www.crikey.com.au/?p=1162295#comment-748457 In reply to Sinking Ship Rat.

They would be serving our country in a way qualitatively different to anyone just doing any job.

Mmmm. Not sure I agree with that in the first place, and I’d argue it’s probably not a good principle to promote.

Government should be boring administrators, not celebrities.

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By: drsmithy https://www.crikey.com.au/2024/08/27/peter-dutton-jim-chalmers-divisive-gambling-crime/#comment-748453 Tue, 27 Aug 2024 23:04:04 +0000 https://www.crikey.com.au/?p=1162295#comment-748453 In reply to Sinking Ship Rat.

Again, even the current backbencher pay (ca. $230k) is 3-4x median wage, and about top 4% income. Few people would earn more at any point in their lives and the majority will never get anywhere near it.

At the end of the day MP wages are not a big expense in the context of the entire budget, however, there’s a very reasonable perception that they are exceptionally well paid in the context of skills, responsibilities, etc. Paying more is unlikely to make anything better in terms of output, and likely to make things worse in terms of perception.

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By: Mercurial https://www.crikey.com.au/2024/08/27/peter-dutton-jim-chalmers-divisive-gambling-crime/#comment-748430 Tue, 27 Aug 2024 17:55:34 +0000 https://www.crikey.com.au/?p=1162295#comment-748430 In reply to Gonggongche.

Ah, the DoGS. That takes me back!

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By: Gonggongche https://www.crikey.com.au/2024/08/27/peter-dutton-jim-chalmers-divisive-gambling-crime/#comment-748427 Tue, 27 Aug 2024 12:31:27 +0000 https://www.crikey.com.au/?p=1162295#comment-748427 In reply to Sinking Ship Rat.

If the garbos down tools, our cities become uninhabitable after a month or so. Under the Coalition the Federal government virtually did nothing for nine years, it left a lot to be fixed but our cities were still inhabitable.

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By: Gonggongche https://www.crikey.com.au/2024/08/27/peter-dutton-jim-chalmers-divisive-gambling-crime/#comment-748425 Tue, 27 Aug 2024 12:20:54 +0000 https://www.crikey.com.au/?p=1162295#comment-748425 In reply to Sinking Ship Rat.

You were citing the number of wealthy and privileged in parliament as a consequence of the salaries paid,” no I didn’t, I cited the proportion of graduates from private schools in the population and the proportion of MPs that graduated from private schools, then compared the two.

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By: Gonggongche https://www.crikey.com.au/2024/08/27/peter-dutton-jim-chalmers-divisive-gambling-crime/#comment-748422 Tue, 27 Aug 2024 12:17:05 +0000 https://www.crikey.com.au/?p=1162295#comment-748422 In reply to Sinking Ship Rat.

How do MPs serve our country qualitatively in a way that means they should be renumerated more than say a garbo?

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By: Sinking Ship Rat https://www.crikey.com.au/2024/08/27/peter-dutton-jim-chalmers-divisive-gambling-crime/#comment-748414 Tue, 27 Aug 2024 11:33:49 +0000 https://www.crikey.com.au/?p=1162295#comment-748414 In reply to Gonggongche.

You were citing the number of wealthy and privileged in parliament as a consequence of the salaries paid, so you were definitely making a causal link; or else your comment has no point and makes no sense.

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By: Sinking Ship Rat https://www.crikey.com.au/2024/08/27/peter-dutton-jim-chalmers-divisive-gambling-crime/#comment-748412 Tue, 27 Aug 2024 11:31:27 +0000 https://www.crikey.com.au/?p=1162295#comment-748412 In reply to Gonggongche.

Well, that would be sort of be the point. Given how these MPs would be selected, they are very likely to be people who were laying bitumen, nurses, shop assistants , garbos … so paying these MPs extremely well cannot be any slight on those others. Being placed in parliament as our representatives should be recognised. They would be serving our country in a way qualitatively different to anyone just doing any job. If we pay sports stars and entertainers a fortune, there’s far more reason to pay such MPs handsomely.

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