Comments on: Victoria’s premier remains beholden to the state’s police force https://www.crikey.com.au/2024/08/16/age-of-criminal-responsibility-victoria-police-jacinta-allan/ On politics, media, business, the environment and life Tue, 20 Aug 2024 03:15:46 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.4.5 By: Justine https://www.crikey.com.au/2024/08/16/age-of-criminal-responsibility-victoria-police-jacinta-allan/#comment-747180 Tue, 20 Aug 2024 03:15:46 +0000 https://www.crikey.com.au/?p=1170574#comment-747180 In reply to old greybearded one.

I have not heard a single sensible answer to what do you do instead. Nothing. Front up and tell us the plan. 

There a hundreds of programs that have been really effective in diverting kids from the criminal justice system and onto the straight and narrow. And they are effective but they need funding. Every year they come cap in hand to the government for funding to scale up. If they do receive funding, it’s never enough. Or as was the case this year, the government funded a diversion and early intervention project which was a partnership between a community legal centre and the police, but they gave most of the money to the police, rather than the CLC which actually did all the work. That program was hugely successful but will probably have to end this year because of lack of funding. Solutions aren’t cheap or easy — I suspect a clout over the ear is not going to be particularly useful to a child from a dysfunctional home who suffers from intergenerational trauma.

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By: Woopwoop https://www.crikey.com.au/2024/08/16/age-of-criminal-responsibility-victoria-police-jacinta-allan/#comment-747048 Mon, 19 Aug 2024 07:09:37 +0000 https://www.crikey.com.au/?p=1170574#comment-747048 In reply to old greybearded one.

They know what’s wrong – even little toddlers often do – but they act impulsively without awareness of consequences. They need some sort of major intervention, maybe hearing from their victims, maybe some counselling or supervision of the whole family, which is often where the trouble starts. I don’t know the answer really, but there must be something better than putting them on the path to a career in crime.

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By: Sinking Ship Rat https://www.crikey.com.au/2024/08/16/age-of-criminal-responsibility-victoria-police-jacinta-allan/#comment-747039 Mon, 19 Aug 2024 06:38:42 +0000 https://www.crikey.com.au/?p=1170574#comment-747039 In reply to MJM.

And conversely, not all minority groups. The rich and powerful are a minority group, and yet have little to fear from the police.

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By: brucehassan https://www.crikey.com.au/2024/08/16/age-of-criminal-responsibility-victoria-police-jacinta-allan/#comment-747033 Mon, 19 Aug 2024 06:19:39 +0000 https://www.crikey.com.au/?p=1170574#comment-747033 Its not just Victoria. Have a look in Perth, where governments from all sides allow the police free reign to tell the government what public policy should be on any matter the police consider within their purview, and invariably surrender to them. Always a mystery as to how the government rents out the police to fossil fuel oligarchs for a personal, private security force – who thought of that, who made it legal?

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By: MJM https://www.crikey.com.au/2024/08/16/age-of-criminal-responsibility-victoria-police-jacinta-allan/#comment-747024 Mon, 19 Aug 2024 05:54:17 +0000 https://www.crikey.com.au/?p=1170574#comment-747024 In reply to Michael Smith.

All minority groups should be afraid of the police.

Not just minority groups. Women are a small majority of the population. Their treatment by police in a range of situations, especially in domestic violence matters, has regularly been seen to be woeful.

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By: drsmithy https://www.crikey.com.au/2024/08/16/age-of-criminal-responsibility-victoria-police-jacinta-allan/#comment-746992 Mon, 19 Aug 2024 05:09:49 +0000 https://www.crikey.com.au/?p=1170574#comment-746992 In reply to old greybearded one.

You should perhaps consider that not all people are identical and develop maturity at different rates.

Hence the 12yo capable of running a household is not developmentally the same as the 12yo stealing cars.

That being said, there does need to be a better way of dealing with those in the latter group, because if they aren’t able to tell bad behaviour from good, they represent a danger to themselves and others.

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By: old greybearded one https://www.crikey.com.au/2024/08/16/age-of-criminal-responsibility-victoria-police-jacinta-allan/#comment-746988 Mon, 19 Aug 2024 04:58:24 +0000 https://www.crikey.com.au/?p=1170574#comment-746988 Sorry I call BS. Do not tell me that the 12 year olds I teach do not know it is wrong to break into houses, smash stuff, steal cars and occasionally, alas, stab people. If they don’t then their parents should be locked up. You know damned well it is wrong at that age. That does not mean I want to lock kids up. I have not heard a single sensible answer to what do you do instead. Nothing. Front up and tell us the plan. The coppers will be called to pick up the bits. I know they get things wrong too. I’d rather see a 12 year old get a clout over the ear than jailed for 3 years at 16. When I was young 14 year olds might well be in full time work I’ve seen 12 year olds running households, but you mob reckon they don’t know right from wrong?

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By: TrentS https://www.crikey.com.au/2024/08/16/age-of-criminal-responsibility-victoria-police-jacinta-allan/#comment-746976 Mon, 19 Aug 2024 04:13:36 +0000 https://www.crikey.com.au/?p=1170574#comment-746976 In reply to Johan A. Rarebit.

Campaign Trail: Political Candidate: “My fellow citizens, I stand before you today with a promise of law and order. If elected, I vow to crack down on crime and put more criminals behind bars. Your safety is my top priority!”
Post-Election: Newly Elected Official: “Now that I’m in office, I need to fulfil my campaign promises. I need support to draft and pass these tough-on-crime laws. Who can help me navigate this complex process?”
Enter the Police Force: Police Chief: “Congratulations on your victory. We’ve been eagerly awaiting a leader like you who understands the importance of law enforcement.” Police Union Representative: “We’re more than happy to assist you in crafting these new laws. Our officers are on the front lines every day, so we have valuable insights to offer.”
The Negotiation: Police Chief: “However, to effectively implement these stricter policies, we’ll need some assurances.” Police Union Representative: “Exactly. We need better protection from prosecution when we’re just doing our jobs. And of course, improved wages and working conditions to attract and retain the best officers.” Newly Elected Official: “I see. And in return?” Police Chief: “In return, you’ll have our full support in implementing your law and order agenda. We’ll make sure the crime statistics reflect positively on your administration.”
The Agreement: Newly Elected Official: “Very well. I believe we can work together on this. Let’s draft some proposals that will satisfy both our needs.” Police Union Representative: “Excellent. We look forward to a long and mutually beneficial relationship.”
This scenario illustrates the potential for a quid pro quo relationship between elected officials and law enforcement, highlighting how their interests can align in ways that reinforce each other’s power and influence.

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By: roberto https://www.crikey.com.au/2024/08/16/age-of-criminal-responsibility-victoria-police-jacinta-allan/#comment-746975 Mon, 19 Aug 2024 04:13:04 +0000 https://www.crikey.com.au/?p=1170574#comment-746975 coppers are, by and large, from working class or lower middle class backgrounds – unfortunately many of them forget their roots and become class traitors, only too willing to support the oligarchs in controlling the plebs

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By: Michael Smith https://www.crikey.com.au/2024/08/16/age-of-criminal-responsibility-victoria-police-jacinta-allan/#comment-746973 Mon, 19 Aug 2024 04:04:45 +0000 https://www.crikey.com.au/?p=1170574#comment-746973 All minority groups should be afraid of the police. They are not there for them. They are there for the rich and powerful. Aboriginals in particular need to be wary. After nearly 250 years and numerous massacres and deaths in custody no policeman has ever been found guilty of murdering an aboriginal. Not even at Yuendemu where there were several eye witnesses and bodycam recordings.
This lack of accountability sends a signal that they can do what they like and they do.

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